2. Watch this video about the origins of African-American English. Savran says, "White people (and not just the young) draw from a black lexicon every day, sometimes unaware of the words' origins, sometimes using them because of their origins" (194). Summarize the information in the video and respond to the question, "How has black vernacular shaped the slang you use in your conversations with your peers?"Savran's essay focuses on black talk, but there are many other subgroups of American English. Regional dialects have their own special words and phrases. What special words or phrases from your regional dialect do you use in your conversations with your friends and family members?
The video is stating that black talk is english, just mixed with elizabethan and other types of english. there are many sub genres all over, and each vary slightly. Black vernacular has not really shaped my conversation with peers since I try staying away from anything that others would not understand. sLang that I use is common slang that my age group has grown up hearing. I tend to stay away from it however, since I find it unintelligent to speak or to even hear. I a person cannot pronounce a word properly, that just means they are to lazy and must make up a word to fill in for it. I don't really have any special words or phrases, but I was grown up on the word ya'll instead of you all, but it is a very common word around southern people
Wednesday, April 8, 2009
Blog 5 Andrew Corke
Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
Black Talk Origins
2) The short video basically went over the origins of black vernacular. Black talk originated in the US during the eighteenth century when slavery was at its peak. The slaves would speak English but blend native African and Elizabethan into their speech. The language known as gulla, drops the word "is" and replaces doesn't with don't. It also consists of different grammatical features. Whites had always thought that the black slaves were not capable of speaking English because they did not speak all of the words. When in fact, they were merely adding to it.
"How has black vernacular shaped the slang you use in your conversations with your peers?"
I really think that black vernacular has shaped the way I speak with my peers. I have always noted that the majority of African Americans speak differently than myself and have wondered why. I had always though that the reason was because they were unintelligent or just simply chose to. In most cases, I avoid black terminology because I feel uneducated if I speak it. I do from time to time throw in some terminology to be funny or when I’m joking around. What everyone else might call a “grilled cheese,” in my family, we call it a cheese toastie.
"How has black vernacular shaped the slang you use in your conversations with your peers?"
I really think that black vernacular has shaped the way I speak with my peers. I have always noted that the majority of African Americans speak differently than myself and have wondered why. I had always though that the reason was because they were unintelligent or just simply chose to. In most cases, I avoid black terminology because I feel uneducated if I speak it. I do from time to time throw in some terminology to be funny or when I’m joking around. What everyone else might call a “grilled cheese,” in my family, we call it a cheese toastie.
Blog 5 Kisan Chhotalal
The commercial represents Diddy selling Pepsi. It relates to marketing because if they see him advertise it then that will boost Pepsi’s sales and will make them more profit. I feel that hip hop artists are kind of blurring the image because while they are promoting the product, they are also trying to promote themselves and their music so more people will listen to them. But besides all of that the video that he promoted makes people want to go out and buy a Pepsi. They feel that buy advertising a Pepsi can listening to music will help improve sales on not only the product, but the artists music as well. So basically its a win win situation, but really its just to help him get more endorsements and more money.
This commercial is a great example of how hip-hop is affecting not only our youth but everybody in society. Now this is not necessarily a bad thing. But this commercial has absolutely nothing to do with its product until the very last few seconds. They're advertising Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson more so than their own product (which is probably smart because their product stinks) which proves the fact that hip-hop artists have definitely "blurred the line between music and merchandise!" If people see 50 Cent, a multi-million dollar recording artist, drinking, or endorsing this product, they are not going to care about the taste or quality of it; all they know is that their idol is drinking it so they must do the same.
Hip-hop is definitely open to identifying with brands. I can think of so many songs just about different types of shoes…Mario – “Nikes Fresh Out The Box”, Nelly – “Air Force Ones”, and who could forget Run DMC’s “My ADIDAS”? How can they not be identifying with brands? I can only find one rock song about shoes so it seems to me that Rap/Hip-hop is much more entrepreneurial.
Sara Rieveley Blog Post 5 Black Talk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ilHt1gorOI
This commercial use Ludacris, Kanye West, and The Game, three very popular and well known hip-hop artists to promote boost mobile. The commercial has the three hip-hop artists communicating from various places on boost mobile phones. For example, Kanye West is in a recording studio. They use a catchy song while adding a slogan. The slogan, “Where you at,” was used throughout the song, and is now known as a boost mobile slogan. I believe these types of commercials that use famous and very well known artists sell both the product and the artist. If your favorite artist is on a commercial selling a product, you are more likely to want that product more, but it also works the other way. If you love boost mobile and have that phone already, you may have loved the catchy song, which means you might listen to Kanye West, Ludacris, or The Game. I think both merchandise and music work together to make more products sell. It works! Hip-hop artists definitely identify themselves more with brands then rock and pop, and I believe they are also more entrepreneurial than both. You see many more hip-hop artists in commercials than any other genre. I agree with Leslie Savan the “black talk” has finally started be used openly and knowingly to advertise and sell merchandise, instead of mockingly like it used to. I believe slang has definitely started playing a bigger role in commercials to sell products.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ilHt1gorOI
This commercial use Ludacris, Kanye West, and The Game, three very popular and well known hip-hop artists to promote boost mobile. The commercial has the three hip-hop artists communicating from various places on boost mobile phones. For example, Kanye West is in a recording studio. They use a catchy song while adding a slogan. The slogan, “Where you at,” was used throughout the song, and is now known as a boost mobile slogan. I believe these types of commercials that use famous and very well known artists sell both the product and the artist. If your favorite artist is on a commercial selling a product, you are more likely to want that product more, but it also works the other way. If you love boost mobile and have that phone already, you may have loved the catchy song, which means you might listen to Kanye West, Ludacris, or The Game. I think both merchandise and music work together to make more products sell. It works! Hip-hop artists definitely identify themselves more with brands then rock and pop, and I believe they are also more entrepreneurial than both. You see many more hip-hop artists in commercials than any other genre. I agree with Leslie Savan the “black talk” has finally started be used openly and knowingly to advertise and sell merchandise, instead of mockingly like it used to. I believe slang has definitely started playing a bigger role in commercials to sell products.
Blog 5 Joey Ruggiero
This commercial tells it all hip-hop artists convey themselves in any way possible. Chris brown... now on trial for the Rihanna beat down isn't a person that I would want to advertise for my company but none the less his commerical does have a catchy ring and does kindof make me want to go out and get some gum. This does how ever blur the image that some hip-hop artists are trying to make for themselves which is not one where they just parade themselves for chewing gum sales. Alot of artists today are though using advertising to boost sales to make people want to listen to their music and to get their name out there. Which is unfortunatley blurring the true hip hop image...
Zack Newman Blog Post 5
1) Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
Here is the link to the Kanye West Absolute Vodka Commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uk7ohIpHAY
This commercial is an advertisement for Absolute Vodka by Kanye West. I believe that the line between music and merchandise is very blurred as does Savan. Music and merchandise are so intertwined that every commercial advertising something popular has an artist there to appeal to the public and most likely their music in the background. I'm not so sure that there every really was much of a line between the two to because they compliment one another so well. Hip-Hop is more open to identifying with brands because it is the popular brand of music in today's current society, but when the next type of music becomes more popular then that will be the main way of marketing through music. I am not so sure that black talk has been used to sell products as much as most people believe it is. Common language among the advertising appeal group would not be considered any type of language other than slang because it is used among the group normally. I believe the pop language of the targeted marketing group is what is used and all the language appeeals to that specific group.
Here is the link to the Kanye West Absolute Vodka Commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uk7ohIpHAY
This commercial is an advertisement for Absolute Vodka by Kanye West. I believe that the line between music and merchandise is very blurred as does Savan. Music and merchandise are so intertwined that every commercial advertising something popular has an artist there to appeal to the public and most likely their music in the background. I'm not so sure that there every really was much of a line between the two to because they compliment one another so well. Hip-Hop is more open to identifying with brands because it is the popular brand of music in today's current society, but when the next type of music becomes more popular then that will be the main way of marketing through music. I am not so sure that black talk has been used to sell products as much as most people believe it is. Common language among the advertising appeal group would not be considered any type of language other than slang because it is used among the group normally. I believe the pop language of the targeted marketing group is what is used and all the language appeeals to that specific group.
Blog Post 5 Zachary Hoffmann
1. Find a current commercial in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tgheca5HM
This video is 50 Cent promoting his line of vitamin water. He purchased it right after selling over 12 million albums and right before the release of his second studio album that eventually sold 10 million copies worldwide. He was one of the biggest rappers at the time and if he drank it why wouldn't everyone else. In the commercial it shows him drinking Formula 50 Vitamin Water then conducting an orchestra. Why wouldn't a brand want to get a person who just sold 12 million albums worldwide? He is obviously known and liked so people will want to buy anything associated with him. I don't think hip-hop is more open to identifying itself with brands. I do think that rappers are more commonly know because they are in the news more than rock artists. They try and promote themselves more which leads companies to give them money to promote their item. I believe this was already said but it is all about making money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0tgheca5HM
This video is 50 Cent promoting his line of vitamin water. He purchased it right after selling over 12 million albums and right before the release of his second studio album that eventually sold 10 million copies worldwide. He was one of the biggest rappers at the time and if he drank it why wouldn't everyone else. In the commercial it shows him drinking Formula 50 Vitamin Water then conducting an orchestra. Why wouldn't a brand want to get a person who just sold 12 million albums worldwide? He is obviously known and liked so people will want to buy anything associated with him. I don't think hip-hop is more open to identifying itself with brands. I do think that rappers are more commonly know because they are in the news more than rock artists. They try and promote themselves more which leads companies to give them money to promote their item. I believe this was already said but it is all about making money.
Post 5 "Black Talk"
1. Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
This particular commercial has more than one hip-hop artist. The commercial combines many rappers and also Japanese action cartoons to promote Sprite. The commercial makes use of the artists and the action cartoon to attract attention to younger audiences. the commercial also makes use of the "obey your thirst" campaign. This commercial promotes the product as well as the artists, by creating exposure for the artists, and relating the product to the artists. this commercial, like many others, make use of the music itself, more than the artist. The brand wants to not only be associated with the stars, but most importantly the popular music that attracts people. As seen in this commercial, the rappers are not just appearing, but are rapping as they promote the product. I don't think that hip hop is more open to identify itself with brands, more than brands want to identify themselves with hip hop. The key to the game is to sell, and the only way to do so, is to appeal to the majority i.e. popular culture. therefore "black talk" has been used more lately since it has acquired immense popularity across the nation. Whether is rock, rap, or pop, there will always be a "fad" that will eventually dim out and give way to a new one: In the 70's was rock, the 80's was pop, and more recently rap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkODvs4grqE
This particular commercial has more than one hip-hop artist. The commercial combines many rappers and also Japanese action cartoons to promote Sprite. The commercial makes use of the artists and the action cartoon to attract attention to younger audiences. the commercial also makes use of the "obey your thirst" campaign. This commercial promotes the product as well as the artists, by creating exposure for the artists, and relating the product to the artists. this commercial, like many others, make use of the music itself, more than the artist. The brand wants to not only be associated with the stars, but most importantly the popular music that attracts people. As seen in this commercial, the rappers are not just appearing, but are rapping as they promote the product. I don't think that hip hop is more open to identify itself with brands, more than brands want to identify themselves with hip hop. The key to the game is to sell, and the only way to do so, is to appeal to the majority i.e. popular culture. therefore "black talk" has been used more lately since it has acquired immense popularity across the nation. Whether is rock, rap, or pop, there will always be a "fad" that will eventually dim out and give way to a new one: In the 70's was rock, the 80's was pop, and more recently rap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkODvs4grqE
1. Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJbXlb4zqo
I guess advertising is doing a good job because I immediately thought of the Chris Brown commerical for doublemint gum. The video is an excellent representation of how using a popular musician to advertise brings their fan base in to purchase the product. It also works the other way around in helping the artist become a bigger icon. I think that becoming an actor now a days means being a musician, or being a musician means becoming an actor or actress. Disney stars are a great example of that. These major stars also advertise according to their music, age, or group. You won't see a rapper advertising tweenage footwear or facial cleanser. Hip hop definitely has more of a presence in advertising than rock in my opinion. Certainly celebrities from every genre but hip hop is more popular than other genres so it's easier to appeal the majority.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJbXlb4zqo
I guess advertising is doing a good job because I immediately thought of the Chris Brown commerical for doublemint gum. The video is an excellent representation of how using a popular musician to advertise brings their fan base in to purchase the product. It also works the other way around in helping the artist become a bigger icon. I think that becoming an actor now a days means being a musician, or being a musician means becoming an actor or actress. Disney stars are a great example of that. These major stars also advertise according to their music, age, or group. You won't see a rapper advertising tweenage footwear or facial cleanser. Hip hop definitely has more of a presence in advertising than rock in my opinion. Certainly celebrities from every genre but hip hop is more popular than other genres so it's easier to appeal the majority.
Black Talk and Pop Culture Blog
1. Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jubz1Ini-o
The current commercial that I used has Beyonce in it where she is promoting Direct T.V. It begins like every other music video that she has made where she dances in a barely there sequence dress and sings about how much of a diva she is. This commercial has been seen by all and not only does Beyonce look gorgeous in the video, the song is rather catchy also. The song sounds as if she pulled it right off of her platinum CD. I do not believe that hip-hop is more entrepreneurial than rock or that it is more open to identifying with brands. These commercials that feature any celebrity is not only there to just promote the product but to promote the music. I'm sure if you watch a decent amount of TV you can sing along to every commercial that features a song in it. This is one of the ways advertisement pulls the public in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jubz1Ini-o
The current commercial that I used has Beyonce in it where she is promoting Direct T.V. It begins like every other music video that she has made where she dances in a barely there sequence dress and sings about how much of a diva she is. This commercial has been seen by all and not only does Beyonce look gorgeous in the video, the song is rather catchy also. The song sounds as if she pulled it right off of her platinum CD. I do not believe that hip-hop is more entrepreneurial than rock or that it is more open to identifying with brands. These commercials that feature any celebrity is not only there to just promote the product but to promote the music. I'm sure if you watch a decent amount of TV you can sing along to every commercial that features a song in it. This is one of the ways advertisement pulls the public in.
Blog Post 5 Ashley Johnson
Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise.
Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIairaDBglI
This is a Fergie for Candie's ad. She incorporates her song "Glamourous" into an ad for shoes and clothing. In the ad, it shows a paparazzi snapping pictures of Fergie as she sings and dances around her house in Candie apparel and shoes. In the video, I particularly agree that the line between music and merchandising has been blurred. Example of this is the fact that she is singing one of her songs, while trying to promote merchandise. Fergie has taken advantage of her popularity and has promoted almost everything from Doritos to computers. I agree that hip-hop tends to be more entrepreneurial than rock and pop, especially since many hip-hop artists now have their own brands. This shows that “… black talk (has) been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195).
Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIairaDBglI
This is a Fergie for Candie's ad. She incorporates her song "Glamourous" into an ad for shoes and clothing. In the ad, it shows a paparazzi snapping pictures of Fergie as she sings and dances around her house in Candie apparel and shoes. In the video, I particularly agree that the line between music and merchandising has been blurred. Example of this is the fact that she is singing one of her songs, while trying to promote merchandise. Fergie has taken advantage of her popularity and has promoted almost everything from Doritos to computers. I agree that hip-hop tends to be more entrepreneurial than rock and pop, especially since many hip-hop artists now have their own brands. This shows that “… black talk (has) been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195).
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
Hip-hop advertisement Blog Post 5 Mary Dalla Costa
1. Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise. Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyI5OnECBoM
This video is by HP with Jay-Z in it. HP used one of the most famous rappers to advertise their new notebook. If Jay-Z has it, it must be awesome. The HP notebook would stick out in your mind when you go to check out new computers and Jay-Z will stick out in your mind when you go to a music store. It's a win-win situation. It doesn't even matter who advertises their product. It's who's cool right now...what will sell the product. I don't think that hip-hop artists are particularly more open about advertising, I think if any other kind of artist was asked there would be the same chance of them saying yes as there is for a hip-hop artist were to. I think the "get money" factor of many rap songs kind of make rappers more entrpreneurial than any other type of artist. They need to have this busy, important, wealthy life style to keep up their image. Black talk has been used to sell products, obviously. You can find tons of videos on youtube that gratify that claim. I found it particularly interesting when at 00:39 Jay-Z said he was trying to be a rock star. I wonder why he thinks he's a rock star?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyI5OnECBoM
This video is by HP with Jay-Z in it. HP used one of the most famous rappers to advertise their new notebook. If Jay-Z has it, it must be awesome. The HP notebook would stick out in your mind when you go to check out new computers and Jay-Z will stick out in your mind when you go to a music store. It's a win-win situation. It doesn't even matter who advertises their product. It's who's cool right now...what will sell the product. I don't think that hip-hop artists are particularly more open about advertising, I think if any other kind of artist was asked there would be the same chance of them saying yes as there is for a hip-hop artist were to. I think the "get money" factor of many rap songs kind of make rappers more entrpreneurial than any other type of artist. They need to have this busy, important, wealthy life style to keep up their image. Black talk has been used to sell products, obviously. You can find tons of videos on youtube that gratify that claim. I found it particularly interesting when at 00:39 Jay-Z said he was trying to be a rock star. I wonder why he thinks he's a rock star?
Sunday, April 5, 2009
Blog Post 5: Black Talk and Pop Culture by Mary Dalla Costa and Joey G.
Choose ONE of the following questions to respond to. Your response should be a minimum of 100 words and no longer than 250 words. Be sure and comment on at least two of your peers' posts.
1. Savran discusses the role hip-hop artists play in modern marketing. Hip-hop generously sprinkles brand names in their songs, a trend that seems to be continuing. Look at this 1990s hip-hop video advertising cherry coke.
Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise.
Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
2. Watch this video about the origins of African-American English. Savran says, "White people (and not just the young) draw from a black lexicon every day,
sometimes unaware of the words' origins, sometimes using them because of their
origins" (194).
Summarize the information in the video and respond to the question, "How has black vernacular shaped the slang you use in your conversations with your peers?"
Savran's essay focuses on black talk, but there are many other subgroups of American English. Regional dialects have their own special words and phrases. What special words or phrases from your regional dialect do you use in your conversations with your friends and family members?
1. Savran discusses the role hip-hop artists play in modern marketing. Hip-hop generously sprinkles brand names in their songs, a trend that seems to be continuing. Look at this 1990s hip-hop video advertising cherry coke.
Find a current commerical in which a hip-hop artist advertises a product. Discuss the video as it relates to the role of marketing and advertising in the artist’s career. Make sure you provide examples to argue the thesis that hip-hop artists have (or have not) blurred the line between music and merchandise.
Is hip-hop more open to identifying itself with brands? Is hip-hop more entrepreneurial than rock or pop? “…has black talk been used openly, knowingly, and not mockingly to sell products” (Savan 195)?
2. Watch this video about the origins of African-American English. Savran says, "White people (and not just the young) draw from a black lexicon every day,
sometimes unaware of the words' origins, sometimes using them because of their
origins" (194).
Summarize the information in the video and respond to the question, "How has black vernacular shaped the slang you use in your conversations with your peers?"
Savran's essay focuses on black talk, but there are many other subgroups of American English. Regional dialects have their own special words and phrases. What special words or phrases from your regional dialect do you use in your conversations with your friends and family members?
Thursday, April 2, 2009
Andres Acosta -- Blog Post 4
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
I agree with the idea that flogging and amputation are more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisionment because it goes all the way back to the old days. Back in old cultures and civilizations people were punished by amputation of limbs and flogging. By people enforcing these punishments today we are showing that we are not civilized (p.373) and have not developed new ethical ways to punish our criminals. Personally I believe that although amputating limbs and flogging is a barbaric form of punishment, it is an easy way out for criminals! Many criminal would rather go through a harsh quick pain than have to deal with being in jail for many years! Yes, being captive may be the worst thing ever since it would drive many crazy. This is why many prisoners decide to not care about their freedom and keep commiting crimes inside of the jail like killing other inmates. Although amputation and flogging seems to be more barbaric by all means than imprisionment, keeping a person locked up for many years seems to be the worst punishment indeed.
I agree with the idea that flogging and amputation are more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisionment because it goes all the way back to the old days. Back in old cultures and civilizations people were punished by amputation of limbs and flogging. By people enforcing these punishments today we are showing that we are not civilized (p.373) and have not developed new ethical ways to punish our criminals. Personally I believe that although amputating limbs and flogging is a barbaric form of punishment, it is an easy way out for criminals! Many criminal would rather go through a harsh quick pain than have to deal with being in jail for many years! Yes, being captive may be the worst thing ever since it would drive many crazy. This is why many prisoners decide to not care about their freedom and keep commiting crimes inside of the jail like killing other inmates. Although amputation and flogging seems to be more barbaric by all means than imprisionment, keeping a person locked up for many years seems to be the worst punishment indeed.
Wednesday, April 1, 2009
Stephanie Kumetz blog pot 4
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
I believe that it depends on the situation and what the crime is. I believe that flogging and amputation can and will send a very strong message to people that really care or are smart enough to know that they will get caught. But you will always have people that think other wise. When it comes to the barbaric forms of punishment like amputation I think this could be a good form of punishment, but not in every way. We like to see people suffer for what they have done wrong. But cutting of a small boys hand for taking food when he is hungry is even more barbaric. But to make such things public is what keeps me for agree with punishment 100% of the time. Chapman said "To choose imprisonment over flogging and amputation in not to choose human kindness over cruelty, but merely to prefer that our cruelties be kept out of sight, and out of mind."
I believe that it depends on the situation and what the crime is. I believe that flogging and amputation can and will send a very strong message to people that really care or are smart enough to know that they will get caught. But you will always have people that think other wise. When it comes to the barbaric forms of punishment like amputation I think this could be a good form of punishment, but not in every way. We like to see people suffer for what they have done wrong. But cutting of a small boys hand for taking food when he is hungry is even more barbaric. But to make such things public is what keeps me for agree with punishment 100% of the time. Chapman said "To choose imprisonment over flogging and amputation in not to choose human kindness over cruelty, but merely to prefer that our cruelties be kept out of sight, and out of mind."
Blog 4 Joey Ruggiero
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
public flogging and amputation are very barbaric forms of punishment... no where near comparable to those of imprisonment. If you are caught stealing something where amputation is legal you could possibly lose a hand over, lets say, a loaf of bread. Now consider this losing your hand which you have used all your life for simple tasks and need it to successfully live you life but because you were really hungry you now get it chopped off. Instead, somewhere that doesn't believe in this barbaric punishment simply places you in jail to think about what you did and why it wasn't right therefore, teaching you to never do it again. Both do the same task but one way isn't giving someone a handicap for the rest of their life.
public flogging and amputation are very barbaric forms of punishment... no where near comparable to those of imprisonment. If you are caught stealing something where amputation is legal you could possibly lose a hand over, lets say, a loaf of bread. Now consider this losing your hand which you have used all your life for simple tasks and need it to successfully live you life but because you were really hungry you now get it chopped off. Instead, somewhere that doesn't believe in this barbaric punishment simply places you in jail to think about what you did and why it wasn't right therefore, teaching you to never do it again. Both do the same task but one way isn't giving someone a handicap for the rest of their life.
Andrew Corke Blog Post 4 Prisoner's Dilemma
1. Chapman describes people in Islamic cultures who flock to gawk at the misfortunes of others. Americans are also fascinated, even entertained, by others’ problems and misfortunes. How do you account for the causes of our fascination with others’ misfortunes. Give one example of this phenomenon as it relates to the Chapman essay, and then explain why you think people are so attracted to the troubles of others’ misfortunes. Consider linking Stephen King’s Why We Crave Horror Movies (p. 397) for some insights into this morbid human tendency.
Seeing that Americans as well as people of the Islamic culture both obtain great entertainment out of the viewing one’s pain, I believe this disgusting and disturbing thrill is a part of the human nature. I’m sure we have all switched on the TV and seen something like funniest home videos, where people are doing face plants, falling off their bikes, running into walls, getting pegged in the face by a dodge ball or so on… and we laugh. WE LAUGH AT SOMEONES PAIN. I can think of no other reason of this tendency, than that it is just a part of us as humans, I don’t know though, I don’t study Behavioral genetics. I did notice though that this subject related to not only our sick inner Jack the Ripper craving from “Why we Crave Horror Movies” but also... our tendency to not interfere and help but to stand and watch or laugh in “Why we don’t Help in a Crisis”. Where as we in our western culture have TV and internet to be in tune with our daily doses of human pain and humiliation via Americas Funniest Home Videos, and Failblog.com and many other sources; In Islamic cultures where internet and television are not accepted, public flogging and humiliation is their way to achieve this entertainment, and we in our western culture see this as very barbaric.
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4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
I agree and disagree at the same time for many reasons, it may help to show others that if you do something this is your punishment, and its not just a few years in jail, you will have to live without a body part(s). The downside however is, the same person may want revenge for disabling him or humiliating him and his family name publicly. Everyone has seen the inside of a jail, either in real life, or television, or even a movie. people know how hard it is in there, "We will get raped, I don't want to get raped" - Role Models. Jail has many positives to it, including if you go once, chances are your not going to want to be in there again for fear of it. Negatives about it, taxpayers pay for inmates to live quite comfortably in there. Public flogging or amputation will be taken harshly by some and it may affect some viewers the wrong way, and the criminal will not be looked at in a bad way, but instead the government will be seen as the bad guy. When someone see's a criminal imprisoned, we only see a bad person and do not think badly of the government, we see the government as the protector. So public flogging is seen as much more barbaric whether it works or not, its still cruel and unusual punishment, and will never happen in this country
I agree and disagree at the same time for many reasons, it may help to show others that if you do something this is your punishment, and its not just a few years in jail, you will have to live without a body part(s). The downside however is, the same person may want revenge for disabling him or humiliating him and his family name publicly. Everyone has seen the inside of a jail, either in real life, or television, or even a movie. people know how hard it is in there, "We will get raped, I don't want to get raped" - Role Models. Jail has many positives to it, including if you go once, chances are your not going to want to be in there again for fear of it. Negatives about it, taxpayers pay for inmates to live quite comfortably in there. Public flogging or amputation will be taken harshly by some and it may affect some viewers the wrong way, and the criminal will not be looked at in a bad way, but instead the government will be seen as the bad guy. When someone see's a criminal imprisoned, we only see a bad person and do not think badly of the government, we see the government as the protector. So public flogging is seen as much more barbaric whether it works or not, its still cruel and unusual punishment, and will never happen in this country
Tommy D: Prisoner's Dilemma
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
More barbaric...not necessarily. On the outside and in the movies, prison violence equals lunch room fights, yard riots, and the occasional stabbing, but in real life you would not believe what goes on behind bars. One newer way of attacking an enemy (or more commonly a prison guard) is called gassing. I'm not sure if I'm the only one that's ever heard of it but this is when inmates urinate and deficate (yes, pee and poop) in a bucket, even getting others to help them fill this waste basket of doom, let it ferment, then, you guessed it...SPLASH. They throw the contents of the bucket into the face of their target. And its usually not just feces and urine, sometimes crushed lightbulbs get thrown into the mix so that when the other inmate or gurad tries to wipe his face, the glass shards will cut him and the mixture will seep into the wounds. Now i understand that this is not the intention of our justice system. This is not the guards brutalizing the inmates. This is not a means of punishment but I guarentee you, there is nothing more barbaric than flinging poo at another person. And this is not the only example of the mayhem that goes on in our prisons. So, to answer the question is it more barbaric to cut off hands and flog people? I don't really think so...
More barbaric...not necessarily. On the outside and in the movies, prison violence equals lunch room fights, yard riots, and the occasional stabbing, but in real life you would not believe what goes on behind bars. One newer way of attacking an enemy (or more commonly a prison guard) is called gassing. I'm not sure if I'm the only one that's ever heard of it but this is when inmates urinate and deficate (yes, pee and poop) in a bucket, even getting others to help them fill this waste basket of doom, let it ferment, then, you guessed it...SPLASH. They throw the contents of the bucket into the face of their target. And its usually not just feces and urine, sometimes crushed lightbulbs get thrown into the mix so that when the other inmate or gurad tries to wipe his face, the glass shards will cut him and the mixture will seep into the wounds. Now i understand that this is not the intention of our justice system. This is not the guards brutalizing the inmates. This is not a means of punishment but I guarentee you, there is nothing more barbaric than flinging poo at another person. And this is not the only example of the mayhem that goes on in our prisons. So, to answer the question is it more barbaric to cut off hands and flog people? I don't really think so...
Blog Post "The Prisoner's Dilemma
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain.....
Let me get this out there as soon as possible. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Any public form of punishment is an absolute disgrace to the country and the people of the country. I am proud to live somewhere that did away with these barbaric forms of deterrents for crime a long time ago. These countries that keep these forms of punishment are attempting to deter crime but the problem is that the only thing they are really doing is publicly humiliating the person and family by doing such acts. Now, since I have my opinion out of the way. Maybe something like this could actually work. Making an example of someone that commits a crime might actually work, but you may never know how the people of the country may react to this type of deterrence. I think it might be possible to reach the people of our country through making an example of someone. Remember in elementary or middle school when a kid would talk and get yelled at and sent out of class? What would everyone do? Well, I know I didn't talk anymore and maybe, just maybe making an example of a certain someone might work.
Let me get this out there as soon as possible. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Any public form of punishment is an absolute disgrace to the country and the people of the country. I am proud to live somewhere that did away with these barbaric forms of deterrents for crime a long time ago. These countries that keep these forms of punishment are attempting to deter crime but the problem is that the only thing they are really doing is publicly humiliating the person and family by doing such acts. Now, since I have my opinion out of the way. Maybe something like this could actually work. Making an example of someone that commits a crime might actually work, but you may never know how the people of the country may react to this type of deterrence. I think it might be possible to reach the people of our country through making an example of someone. Remember in elementary or middle school when a kid would talk and get yelled at and sent out of class? What would everyone do? Well, I know I didn't talk anymore and maybe, just maybe making an example of a certain someone might work.
blog posting- Brad
4. Do you agree that “public flogging and amputation may be more barbaric forms of punishment than imprisonment” (376)? Explain your answer using information from Chapman’s essay.
I really think that public flogging is a far better option for imprisonment. If we were to switch to such methods we would we would save huge amounts of money. Tax payers would be paying for the actual punishment of criminals vs. paying to keep them, feed them, house them etc etc etc....Its just a overall better situation for everyone, whats one day of pure hell when compared to a life time in a 6 x 6 prison cell.
However I really hate the idea of prison, and death sentences, I really think England had it right back in the day, export all prisoners to Australia and let them live in a twisted peace there (maybe not Australia). Middle Eastern traditions have been followed for thousands of years, and as larger influences start to open the minds of the traditionalist, and they refuse to accept change, it is a shame, I just hope those that those who are suffering because of this are making a difference for future generations.
I really think that public flogging is a far better option for imprisonment. If we were to switch to such methods we would we would save huge amounts of money. Tax payers would be paying for the actual punishment of criminals vs. paying to keep them, feed them, house them etc etc etc....Its just a overall better situation for everyone, whats one day of pure hell when compared to a life time in a 6 x 6 prison cell.
However I really hate the idea of prison, and death sentences, I really think England had it right back in the day, export all prisoners to Australia and let them live in a twisted peace there (maybe not Australia). Middle Eastern traditions have been followed for thousands of years, and as larger influences start to open the minds of the traditionalist, and they refuse to accept change, it is a shame, I just hope those that those who are suffering because of this are making a difference for future generations.
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